"Yeah, freaked me out when Jack told me he was one, too." He turns his mug in his hands, fidgeting. "It's-- I mean, it is and it isn't a big deal, y'know? I mean, it just means he hasn't done it before, the value or lack of value placed in it is totally arbitrary."

He shrugs one shoulder.

"But it also kinda makes you feel like you're under pressure, huh? To do it right, whatever that means."